Weitzner and Vanderhook exposed

[homedog1]

Weitzner and Vanderhook exposed as lying pieces of shit over JimmyMac payout
The True Story of How PierO Really Got JimmyMac Paid by Oddsmaker

by PierO

The story of the public company is a bit complicate. I'm not even sure the public company is still trading. As a matter of fact neither Oddsmaker or Betonusa make mention of it on their web sites while Betonusa for sure used to.

I think what really happened is that the thieves that used to own (and probably still own in part) Oddsmaker needed a new look and used this Germany public company first called betonusa ag, then miobet, but then some kind of pump and dump scam went down (I guess scammers cannot refrain themselves) and that's the last I heard of the public company (maybe 18 months ago) on the bookmaker site.

However I remained in touch with the guy that was the CEO and part owner of the public company and the few times I dealt myself with Oddsmaker complaints I always spoke to him who was always able to solve the problems and this time was no differernt. When he told me he was going to look into the case, few hours later EOG announced that the player was going to get paid.

Even if Shrink changed his mind about the player, does anyone really think that Oddsmaker would have paid simply because Shrink changed his mind?
Shrink with his new opinion about the player still needed OM to authorize the payment. And in the list of people involved in the case published by Shrink himself, I don't see anyone who can take such a decisiion, which is why I sent the e-mail in the first place.

This is the last comment you will hear from me on this case. For me it is not important who did what. If EOG needs the recognition so bad they can have it. To me they are clowns and people who believe them are gullible players who probably deserve to lose money. I'm not even sure why someone like Mofome gets paid to moderate a forum. I wouldn't hire him to clean my shoes. At least the SBR moderators they can take on a complaint with the confidence givern by their betting experiences and the strong connections of SBR as a site. What does Mofome knows or bring to the table beside 1 million posts, none of interest?

 

[Doug]

I think Mo made a bad move by having his surname becoming known.

Nobody needs to know this.

Few know mod's real names here.

I only know the real name of one RX mod, and a few posters.

Esp. unnecessary for US citizens, JMO !

 

[PO69]

I was going to say that posting names, whether we know them or not, is out of line.


Of course 90% of the posters here know both of their names, but newbies might not know their names. I think that a MOD should delete the names and post the usernames instead

 

[Enfuego]

I was going to say that posting names, whether we know them or not, is out of line.


Of course 90% of the posters here know both of their names, but newbies might not know their names. I think that a MOD should delete the names and post the usernames instead

Dr. Death, MoBo said he didn't care. He said he wrote articles for SBR using his surname so it doesn't matter. If it doesn't matter to him then carry on. Not to mention, his boss posted it a few days ago.

 

[FairWarning]

Pier0

 

[Enfuego]

What people fail to realize is there are people amongst us in the posting body that have connections. We have no idea who they know or what they own or do. Pier0 decided to try and help a fellow poster get paid $8.4K. It appears as if he helped.

 

[Mr.Leisure]

Great job by piero getting jimmymac paid.



OGD is a must read for me everyday,keep up the good work guys.:toast:

 

[homedog1]

JimmyMac vs. Oddsmaker Dispute: The Verdict
June 22, 2009
Overview:

A player named JIMMYMAC was profiled carefully by Oddsmaker to have met their criteria to receive an extremely generous bonus in the hopes that he would eventually deposit real money with their sports book.

Oddsmaker only sends this offer out to a very limited number of players via email and it is called a VIP BONUS. Specifically, the recipient is offered a FREE 500 dollar Bonus Play without having to make a deposit. The sports book is able to detect fraud or abuse by requesting the player to call a specific 800 phone number and by asking the player to request to talk to an "Anthony Stewart."

What followed has been fairly well established on the forums and also by The General's report...

1: The player rolled the 500 dollar Bonus Play into 8400 dollars.

2. The player DELIBERATELY tried to ABUSE the BONUS that was meant exclusively for him by sharing it with his Father... I use the word deliberate because he meticulously went through the plan of signing up an
additional VIP account for his Father online. Then, after the account was established, neither the player or
his Father tried calling Antony Stewart or the 800 number that was provided on the email....Rather, I believe they tried to get an extra 500 dollar Bonus Play by calling another toll free customer support number in the hopes that the clerk wouldn't know the difference.

3. The player got caught. At first he lied to Oddsmaker about his foiled attempt to abuse the bonus that was meant only for him, but the truth eventually came to light... Oddsmaker has proof to back all of this by the additional online application and tapes. Additionally, SBR (The General) also agreed with this finding in his report.

Conclusion:

Most sports books have rules and regulations that are clearly posted on their websites. Odds maker is no exception. What I find disturbing is that the majority of players don't bother reading the rules and regulations before getting involved with a sports book. For example, many sports books have a very controversial rule that I don't agree with so I avoid these books. It's called the "WISEGUY RULE" which virtually gives them a license to steal if they believe you are in collusion with one or more other players.

If Oddsmaker doesn't have a rule on their web site that addresses this scenario, then the sports book cannot take away a player's winnings, period...

Simply because he lied, or he was rude or he attacked them on posting forums is not grounds to take way a player's hard earned winnings...

But what about bonus abuse?

Lets review the terms and conditions that Oddsmaker does have listed on their website quite clearly...

http://www.oddsmaker.com/terms.php

If you scroll to the bottom and look under the sub header titled "BONUS ABUSE," I believe they have 10 paragraphs of terms and conditions.

The one I find paramount to this case can be found in paragraph #4, second sentence...

Professional players or players considered to be abusing the bonus system by any means may have bonuses revoked and be subject to further sanctions, at the discretion of OddsMaker.com management.

Like it or not, the above sentence which is clearly found under their rules, apply here. The player was indeed "considered to be abusing the bonus system," even though he got caught doing so. If a robber gets caught trying to rob a bank but gets caught in the act, he is still guilty of trying to steal...

It's not at all about whether someone likes the rule at all...

But rules, just like laws are enforceable...

I personally think that jay walking and smoking pot are silly laws, but try telling that to a Judge...

Therefore, I ruled in favor of ODDSMAKER....

They have the rules to back them up.


THE SHRINK

So what, pray tell, changed their mind?

 

[quantumleap]

I read jimmymac's response. He gives Mo and Shrink some credit.

 

[Doug]

I was going to say that posting names, whether we know them or not, is out of line.


Of course 90% of the posters here know both of their names, but newbies might not know their names. I think that a MOD should delete the names and post the usernames instead

misspelled anyway, and too late now.

 

[vinividivinci]

Having followed the whole Jimmymac vs. Oddsmaker affair, through the initial "verdict" and the follow-up drama ("new evedince"), it would seem to me to be apparent to an unbiased observer that EOG used this situation to drive traffic and views to their site to the detriment of all parties involved.

Especially disturbing is that Ken allowed his paid sponsor to "twist in the wind" for several days before "finally" reversing his decision and ruling against Oddsmaker and in favor of Jimmymac.

I hope I am wrong but seriously doubt that I am.


VVV

 

[Doug]

Having followed the whole Jimmymac vs. Oddsmaker affair, through the initial "verdict" and the follow-up drama ("new evedince"), it would seem to me to be apparent to an unbiased observer that EOG used this situation to drive traffic and views to their site to the detriment of all parties involved.

Especially disturbing is that Ken allowed his paid sponsor to "twist in the wind" for several days before "finally" reversing his decision and ruling against Oddsmaker and in favor of Jimmymac.

I hope I am wrong but seriously doubt that I am.


VVV

agree fully.

it's all about the money.

Shrink might have paid it himself, nobody really knows.

 

[VIEJODINOSAUR]

Who cares...the guy got paid....

Now if someone won a dispute at Betus.com then that would be news...would like to see EOG handle that one...

 

[homedog1]

the guy got paid....

That is definitely the most important thing. I just think it is foolish that anyone thinks that Shrink got him paid.

 

[PO69]

Shrink may have paid him out of his pocket

 

[steaktartar]

Shrink may have paid him out of his pocket

doubt it..the only time he lets go of a nickel is to change his grip

 

[HinesWard86]

Who cares...the guy got paid....

Now if someone won a dispute at Betus.com then that would be news...would like to see EOG handle that one...

Thank you :toast:

This fucking constant back and forth between forums and the Empire State Buildings are ridiculous

 

[Doug]

doubt it..the only time he lets go of a nickel is to change his grip

PO seems to think he brings in 30k+ a month each from books like Bookmaker, Oddsmaker, etc.

That's a lot with 15 or so sponsors, well into 6 figures....and he can't pay most of his mods ?

Or,maybe that figure is way high ?